{"id":65998,"date":"2019-09-12t08:41:08","date_gmt":"2019-09-12t12:41:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/48e130086c.nxcli.net\/?p=65998"},"modified":"2019-09-13t12:56:09","modified_gmt":"2019-09-13t16:56:09","slug":"integrity-wins-in-cannabis-accounting","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/09\/12\/integrity-wins-in-cannabis-accounting\/","title":{"rendered":"integrity wins in cannabis accounting"},"content":{"rendered":"<h6><iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 97px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podomatic.com\/embed\/html5\/episode\/9531351?style=small&amp;autoplay=false\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;\" class=\"mce_selres_start\">?<\/span><\/iframe><strong>katye maxson-landis: \u201ci have my ethics attorney on speed dial.\u201d<\/strong><\/h6>\n<p>by liz gold<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/cannabizcpa.pro\"><em>cannabizcpa.pro<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_66002\" class=\"thumbnail wp-caption alignright\" style=\"width: 201px\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-66002\" src=\"https:\/\/cpatwpe.s3.amazonaws.com\/cpatrendlines\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/screen-shot-2019-09-12-at-8.16.54-am-201x201.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"201\" height=\"201\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cpatwpe.s3.amazonaws.com\/cpatrendlines\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/screen-shot-2019-09-12-at-8.16.54-am-201x201.png 201w, https:\/\/cpatwpe.s3.amazonaws.com\/cpatrendlines\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/screen-shot-2019-09-12-at-8.16.54-am-100x100.png 100w, https:\/\/cpatwpe.s3.amazonaws.com\/cpatrendlines\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/screen-shot-2019-09-12-at-8.16.54-am-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/cpatwpe.s3.amazonaws.com\/cpatrendlines\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/screen-shot-2019-09-12-at-8.16.54-am-24x24.png 24w, 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href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/07\/26\/jax-wheatley-is-oregons-thc-cpa\/\">why jax wheatley shifted from lbgtq to cannabis clients<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/07\/10\/podcast-the-cannabis-cpa-sean-robinson\/\">[podcast] the cannabis cpa: sean robinson<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/07\/05\/icomply-helping-cannabusinesses-stay-ahead-of-the-curve\/\">icomply helping cannabusinesses stay ahead of the curve<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/06\/28\/green-bits-helping-cannabis-retailers-stay-compliant\/\">green bits: helping cannabis retailers stay compliant<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/06\/24\/ron-seigneur-blazes-new-trails-in-cannabis\/\">ron seigneur blazes new trails in cannabis<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/06\/21\/podcast-meet-laura-durham-of-kind-accounting-serving-cannabusinesses\/\">[podcast] laura durham finds her niche<\/a> | <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/06\/15\/the-cannabis-cpa-podcast-matt-karnes-greenwave-consultants\/\">[podcast] matt karnes, greenwave consultants<\/a> | \u00a0<a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/06\/08\/the-cannabis-cpa-cristina-garza-cannacomply\/\">[podcast] cristina garza, cannacomply<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/06\/02\/alex-glueckler-silver-leaf-cbc\/\">[podcast] alex glueckler, silver leaf cbc<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/05\/31\/silver-leaf-cbc-an-erp-platform-for-cannabis-companies\/\">silver leaf cbc: an erp platform for cannabis companies<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/05\/27\/leveling-the-playing-field-for-cannabis-businesses\/\">leveling the playing field for cannabis businesses<\/a>\u00a0 |\u00a0 <a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/2019\/05\/25\/the-cannabis-cpa-sean-robinson-tebaja-consulting\/\">[podcast] sean robinson, tebaja consulting<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-49700\" src=\"https:\/\/4f2bur4nuye2cgakm2rm61qk-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/yellow_key_clip_art-e1375897299811-36p-hi-1-e1470686574894.jpg\" alt=\"goprocpa.com\" width=\"39\" height=\"16\" \/><span style=\"color: #c9990a;\">exclusively for pro members.\u00a0<\/span><\/strong><span style=\"color: #c9990a;\"><a style=\"color: #c9990a;\" href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/wp-login.php?redirect_to=\/\/www.g005e.com\/2017\/07\/21\/5-ways-get-referrals-2\/\">log in here<\/a>\u00a0or\u00a0<a class=\"external\" style=\"color: #c9990a;\" href=\"http:\/\/goprocpa.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">2022世界杯足球排名 today<\/a>.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cwelcome to the most interesting accounting you\u2019ll ever do. you can\u2019t say that about accounting that often. this is interesting, thoughtful, investigatory accounting. welcome to problem-solving like you\u2019ve never seen. get comfortable with being uncomfortable. start building your professional network now. you need an ethics attorney. i have my ethics attorney on speed dial. i talk to that guy twice a month about clients.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>maxson-landis is the founder of moxy accounting in portland, oregon. she worked in public accounting for seven years as an auditor and staff accountant and as a bookkeeper before that. she has a diverse work history: she earned bas in technical theatre and english literature and owned an electrical contracting business, worked in currency conversion software support for the roll-out of the euro and ran several indigent criminal defense firms in portland. she earned her post baccalaureate in accounting from portland state university in 2005. she started working with cannabis clients in april 2012 under the name of pdx bookkeeping, llc and then rebranded to moxy accounting in january 2018.<\/p>\n<p>in the beginning, maxson-landis says she was doing a lot of work transferring people from what she calls the legacy market or non-traditional market to the tax market. basically bringing non-taxed dollars or grey markets into the light of day. it was a lot of addressing bad or back tax return amendments, bookkeeping and quantifying things, she says.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cthat has changed as the economy and the businesses that are getting interested in being involved in cannabis are becoming more robust and are more educated themselves,\u201d she says. \u201ci have a self-created two-hour initial consultation that every single cannabis and hemp client i potentially engage with goes through in my office. and that is my accounting bad-ass coming to jesus conversation. it&#8217;s me interviewing the clients. instead of those days of a free initial consultation and trying to get as many clients as possible, i&#8217;m really very cautious about cherry-picking my clients.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>the paid consultation starts with an honest conversation that explores the client\u2019s origin story. if they are not already paying taxes, the conversation makes it clear that this is the beginning of going down the road of getting integrated into the regular economy.<\/p>\n<p>\u201ci don&#8217;t expect you to understand or know a ton of that and i expect you to have had foibles and problems in the back of your history,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cand i don&#8217;t expect you to pay taxes on every single dollar because that is not what this industry was being asked to do in its early years. but i do expect you to do it now. i expect you to put on the long pants and to accept that if you want to be in this industry and you want a cpa to sign their name and take the risk at the bottom line for you, that you and i are going to be clear that you&#8217;re going to be honest with me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>that said, the first thing that will get a client fired in maxson-landis\u2019 practice is if they lie to her. \u201cyou get a two-hour opportunity to put everything on the table,\u201d she says, adding that 99 percent of the clients she sees wants to do business based on integrity and compliance. \u201ci will not judge.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>transparency and honesty are key. maxson-landis describes disengaging with a $23,000 client because they didn\u2019t do what she required them to do. \u201cthey were clearly laundering about $250,000 of prior untaxed money into their business, by \u2018paying out of pocket\u2019 for a building. had i not driven to southern oregon, got onsite on their property and said, \u2018hey, what\u2019s that building over there? i don\u2019t see it in the books.\u2019 i would have never known. there are very non-traditional things that cpas in this industry i feel need to do. we need to be very much in the presence of our clients. we cannot remote to our clients. you\u2019ve got to be the person that stands up and says, \u2018where\u2019d you get that money?\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>for maxson-landis, this means just taking clients in oregon because the compliance piece is so complicated. however, she is expanding into other states by developing professional education for other accounting professionals. this includes putting together a conceptual roadmap of how cpas in their own state look at these clients because cannabis businesses can\u2019t transact outside of the border of their own state if they are dealing with thc. she also says it is safer for cpas as a service provider if they don\u2019t spread out all over the country.<\/p>\n<p>\u201ci think it should be a cpa working in your state\u2019s environment because every state has a different set of compliance regulations that are so patchwork and complicated,\u201d she says. \u201ccpas in that state really need the opportunity to be able to dive deep into what they are doing because the federal position is the same. there are all sorts of ways that i think cpas in their own state \u2013 through their state society, board of accountancy &#8211; \u00a0should be receiving professional guidance and education in order to be able to deal with their state\u2019s regulations and their state cannabis population. i think that&#8217;s how it remains safe as a service provider if you don&#8217;t spread out all over the country.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>maxson-landis wants to spread her message and is in the process of creating a series of free introductory webinars, that would be hosted, ideally, through state societies. the webinars would give cpas and accountants a conceptual roadmap of what it\u2019s like getting into the cannabis space. it would address how to make the decision of taking on cannabis clients, the pitfalls and generally, what you need to know about risk. she also plans to outline her two-hour client consultation to give cpas an idea of what questions to ask and what to look for when vetting a cannabis business client. in addition, the webinars will include a deep dive into cost of goods sold \u2013 how do you take your state\u2019s laws, either medical or recreational, and apply them to bookkeeping and then, one step further, how do you take that bookkeeping and apply it to 280e when you get to the tax return side.<\/p>\n<p>she\u2019s also educating cannabis clients on the importance of bookkeeping and the basics of running a cannabis business, so they are better prepared for working with their cpa.<\/p>\n<p>\u201ci am educating clients about what it looks like to do basic general bookkeeping because if you show up respectfully at an accountant\u2019s firm and you don&#8217;t have a set of quickbooks, but you at least have the documentation that can support them helping you, i think you&#8217;re more likely to get that cpa interested in doing the work,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n<p>the most unhelpful accounting advice maxson-landis hears from clients is that they can get around 280e. \u201cyou don\u2019t,\u201d she says. \u201cyou manage your business in a way that is thoughtful and respectful.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>cannabis is interesting, she says, because the population\u2019s relationship to accounting is next to zero. this is an industry that has been terrified of accounting and taught not to keep books and records. \u201ci fix a lot of bad accounting, fraudulent accounting, where a cpa or ea or a licensed tax preparer is willing to take a tax position that would not stand up under tax law and does not help the industry or their client going forward.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cone of the reasons i work in cannabis is because i feel my ethics are strong and i can steer people, clients, and other cpas down a road that looks fraught with peril but if you apply ethic and integrity to the situation you are going to have an outcome that is positive.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"\/\/www.g005e.com\/?p=65998\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-66003\" 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